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Yes, there are several notable changes.

1. Traps are now on a 30 sec cooldown, but can be used in combat (you no longer need to feign/trap).

2. When feign death is resisted, you are still reduced to 0 threat for any targets that did not resist feign death (although if any creature resists the feign, you won't be taken completely out of combat, you'll still be on the creature group's target list).

3. Attack Power and Crit related changes:
a. Hunters now get 1 AP per Agility rather than 2. This change helps us provide more interesting stat distributions on hunter items. Previously, Hunters valued Agi significantly above any other stat, such that it was extremely difficult for us to create variety among Hunter items. For example, before this change, we could have spent 1 stat point on an item to give you either 2 AP or 1 Agi (which gave 2 AP along with a small bonus to crit and a small bonus to dodge... clearly the better choice). However, several changes have been made along with this change in order to offset the AP loss.

b. Hunters now get significantly more crit per point of Agility than before (about 33agi/crit at level 60).

c. Hunters now get more dodge per point of Agility than before (about 20agi/dodge at lvl 60).

d. Ranged weapons have had their damage values significantly increased (and consequently the weapon's dps)... this also helps make weapon upgrades feel more meaningful for Hunters than it did previously (along with the other changes, this change is retroactive).

e. Most Hunter equipment has been updated to have a better distribution between +Attack Power bonuses and Agility.

4. Aimed Shot related changes:
a. Aimed Shot now resets the Hunter's shot timer. This talent was always intended to be an "opening" shot, and not something that would be woven between shots. However, since Aimed Shot became such a core element for Hunter DPS, we didn't want to make this change until we were prepared to make several other changes to increase hunter DPS to offset it. Fortunately, this means that some of the odd side effects of the old Aimed Shot are no longer relevant, such as requiring hunters to use extremely slow weapons to maximize their DPS (weapons slow enough to be able to use Aimed Shot in between auto shots)

b. Arcane Shot now does substantially more damage than it did before, and scales with AP.

c. Steady Shot has been introduced as a core ability in the expansion, and provides much the same kind of gameplay as Aimed Shot did in the past (a shot you weave in between your normal shots), but to a much more managable degree (since it's a 1.5 sec shot, it doesn't require as slow of a weapon to take advantage of, and doesn't require to stand still for as long).

5. Other note: Wyvern Sting may now be used in combat.

Yes, a handfull of items that were not explicitly hunter-only but were clearly designed as "hunter items" with disproportionately high Agi values are having some of their stats shifted to AP (although they'll still be agi-heavy in general).

However, Wyvern Sting did gain a 1.5 second cast time instead.

Steady Shot does not have a cooldown. The AP scaling on Arcane Shot is 20% of AP.

1. Yes, snakes are mobs that can be targeted. There are 6 to 10 snakes that come out of the trap (oh $h1%, we've got Snakes on a Trap!) and attack random targets within 10 yards of the trap.

2. The snakes do physical damage and apply random poisons (ie: mind numbing, crippling, and a deadly poison).

3. They don't do a lot of damage individually, but in total the damage is meaningful.

4. The snakes will chase the same distance mobs normally chase.

5. The snakes move at normal mob speed (although their victims may be affected by crippling poison).

1. The pet abilities that have been "leaked" are pet abilities that have been in the database for at least 3 years now, but never went live because they were considerably overpowered. So, ignore those. More information on new pet types/abilities will come at a later time.

2. We moved Hawkeye in order to shift a meaningful talent from MM (which we felt had too many) to Survival (which we felt could use another).

3. It is a learned talent. You click the button in your talent pane, and you learn it. :P

6. base resist chance for equal level enemies is 4%

Arcane Shot and Aimed Shot no longer share the same cooldown.

@ Alex

denkst Du denn, dass Du mit Lvl 70 noch Full T3 rumlaufen wirst?

Immerhin hast Du/"alle" die Möglichkeit komplett T3 auch mit Lvl 60 zu sein. Kaum zu glauben, dass man bei einer Steigerung von 10 lvln, welche nicht zu vergleichen sind wie Lvl40-50, kein Item findet für das man nicht T3 ablegen würde. <---alles reine Spekulation

Und der MM Baum gestaltet sich meiner Meinung nach doch recht attraktiv, sowohl für Pve und in Verbindung mit Sv natürlich auch für PvP.

MfG

- wie berechnet sich nun der Arcane Shot?
- inwiefern scalet das Pet mit dem Equip?
- wieviel rap hat ein full t3 Hunter mit lvl 70?
- wieviel Agi hat ein full t3 Hunter mti lvl 70?
- inwiefern sind Pets im Raid einsetzbar (Stichwort: aoe, Cleave)?

Im Optimalfall stattet sich ein 60er Hunter mit T3 noch vor BC aus. Er soll dann 10 Lvl machen ohne ein tolles Teil zu finden, dass er sofort anlegt und sich sagt, mensch ist das geil? Stell ich mir trostlos vor und fände es schade.

1.: ap/5 + 300 (auf höchster stufe)

würde so skillen skillung

Es mag richtig sein, dass die Sets etwa gleichviel ap liefern, wie zuvor. Jedoch wird LR stark generft, da es nurnoch 1rap pro agi gibt, wordurch die ap in diesem zweig etwas leidet.

Soweit ich weiss, werden viele hunterspezifische Items (nicht nur Class: Hunter, sondern auch andere) angepasst. Dabei gibt es die Faustregel, dass der Agiwert um 1/3 gesenkt wird und die fehlenden AP zur pre-BC-Version geaddet werden.

NOTE: These are based on the stats of a level 63 tauren hunter and level 63 winterspring owl.
Kill Command triggers the global cooldown.
Rank 1 Arcane Shot still gets 20% of your AP in damage.
You will NOT get 2000 attack power any time soon. With full tier 2 and a full marks spec, I had ~1450 self buffed.
Despite that, we deal very noticeably more damage in groups even before steady shot.
Pets rock. With BM spec, my owl has 7000 hp, 9000 armor, and 160 DPS without ANY buffs.
Pet scaling is roughly 20-21% of your ranged attack power -> their attack power, roughly 20% your resists -> their resists. I havn't tested health or armor but those DO scale as well.

With the level 60 arcane shot, depending on spec, I hit for right around 500 damage. MM hits for higher, BM hits for lower. Highest crit I saw was 1400ish with a MM spec.

Viper DOES have a 15 second cooldown

My Ursius is still 2.4 speed, so I assume the fast pets are still fast.

You don't want a fast attack speed pet as a raiding BM hunter, though. Even 2.4 can maintain Frenzy at 90% uptime with the right talents, and 2.4 hits much harder than 1.0 with Kill Command.

With BM spec, my listed DPS is actually higher than MM spec, thanks to Serpent's Swiftness.

That's just Autoshot of course, and I do deal less DPS with BM than MM, but it's an amusing factoid and is sure to cause forum drama when newbs see it and go buy a Jump To Conclusions mat.

ALL Hunter abilities. Shots, traps, rapid fire, kill command, etc etc. No item or racial cooldowns, though.

BM pets are frightening. My pet was ripping aggro from a High Warlord fury warrior (and living to tell about it!).

It's 45 yard range now, base.

They do seem to be focusing more on int and mp5 for "hunter gear" though - I saw some blue boss drop shoulders that were agi, ap, stam, mp5, 2 sockets with a +int socket bonus.

Tier 3 is changed. We havn't killed Loatheb yet, so no clue on Eye. Godslayer is currently unchanged.

Pets have no AOE-avoidance abilities. I'm not too worried, though. The days of pets being subpar living dots are gone, gone, gone. Pets dieing is going to be notice and questions will be asked (Why did XYZ's pet die?). It's theoretically possible for a BM pet to do ~500-600 pre-mitigation DPS and offtank a fairly dangerous (though not Main Boss level dangerous - think Worshipper adds on Faerlina) add in the same fight.

Pets get more than 100% benefit from most group buffs. They get their own version of the buff, PLUS the scaling from the buff on us. For instance, turning on Aspect of the Wild increases the hunter's nature resistance by 60 and the pet's by 72.

Pets still need to be individually pally-buffed =/

Survival felt weakest, but IMO deep survival doesn't shine much in solo play. It's mostly a PvP or raid spec, not much for small group or solo content.

If you're in Beastmaster (tier 0.5), you'll find upgrades from random green drops. Giantstalker will be upgraded through green and blue quest rewards in the first couple zones. I havn't found any direct upgrades to Dragonstalker or Cryptstalker yet, but I havn't gotten any instance loot, either. I don't expect Dragonstalker to last me past 65.

Beastmastery is probably the least gear dependant. Marksman is absolutely the MOST gear dependant.

I wouldn't bother even trying to get tier 1 stuff. I've seen random drop greens that blow giantstalker out of the water. By the time you're level 70, even Cryptstalker would be mostly replaced, except perhaps for the crazy insane 6 piece bonus which is gonna get even crazier with our new crit rates.

Impossible to tell for sure, but with +90 hit rating from gear (+9 hit at level 60), my pet was still missing noticeably often at level 60. So, I assume not. Unfortunately.

That does make animal handler a pretty decent talent, though.

There's a quest reward at the far edge of Hellfire Peninsula for killing 5 elite giants (they're interesting fights in and of themselves, but it's kinda a spoiler so I'll leave it up to the reader ;)). The reward is:

Expedition Repeater
Crossbow
2.9 speed
~52 DPS (I think)
+9 crossbow skill rating (not skill, skill rating)
+some-odd attack power.


It's roughly equivalent to rhok'delar and ashjre'thul.

There's also a blue PVP reward bow with 2.5 speed and good DPS.

There's a new type of cookable food: pet snacks!

The one I've seen so far is called "Sporeling Snack". It takes 1 strange spore (a mob drop in Zangarmarsh) to make and generates an item that, when used, gives your pet +20 stamina and +20 spirit, akin to a Well Fed buff on a player. It lasts half an hour, and is instant cast and useable in combat.

Speaking of Well Fed, there's a ton of new food bonuses. 40 attack power + 20 spirit, 20 agi + 20 spirit, 23 spellpower + 23 spirit, 20 str 20 stam, etc etc.

OK, pet scaling:

22-23% RAP
35% armor
40% resistances (up from 20%)
0% health (this surprised me)

Aimed Shot now has a casting bar.

It looks like Serpent's Swiftness affects Aimed Shot. Not using a stopwatch or anything

Every 5 man or RAID, there is gonna need to be an assigned hunter to scorpid sting. Scorpid is now HUGE. It takes away 5% to hit on a mob (even bosses so far in 5 man). I have tested in my groups and 5 mans and my tanks always last WAY longer with it up. We are talking a T2 tanks getting down to 20% or less HP without it up, to only getting to 65-75% HP with it on. It is absolutely MANDATORY. In my guild raids I will be assigning a hunter just as the Scorpid hunter... it is just that good.

I believe a bit of bad news there. This tells you how good AOTV is. I myself never even had to do a FD/Drink in instances like I do on live all the time. So I didn't even know they had changed it. But per my guildy Jonus, he couldn't do it on our last run. So it appears to have been nerfed. I will have to try it next chance i get. I hope this isn't the case, but it is not as bad as it seems...AOTV is your best friend

Bosses are pretty much only immune to Crowd Control now. Stuff like daze still hits them even if it doesn't snare them.

That said, concussive barrage is still a worthless talent.